Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Revising Projections In-Season
As most of the regular readers and commenters here know, I make extensive use of projections on this blog, but I also try to make it clear that projections are inherently limited. Projections are basically an estimate of the talent of a player at the time they are run, but player talent is not a constant. Injuries, conditioning, adjustments and aging are all factors that can change a player's talent, for better or for worse.So with that in mind, let's look at the projections for the Yankee starters coming into 2008 and compare them to how they've performed to this point. We can also use this to try and figure out what we can expect from the player in question going forward. I'm using Dan Szymborski's in-Season ZiPS projection tool for this, but I've updated the 2008 projections to be an average of five different systems (CHONE, Marcel, PECOTA, ZiPS, and CAIRO).
So here's a look at each of the nine primary starters. BR/650 are non-position adjusted batting runs using linear weights compared to zero, not average. Since we are comparing each player to their expectations I figured it was best to just look the raw batting runs on a rate basis.
| Damon,Johnny | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 521 | 59 | 146 | 27 | 3 | 14 | 65 | 57 | 75 | 3 | 18 | 4 | .280 | .355 | .423 | 87 |
| YTD | 263 | 44 | 86 | 20 | 3 | 6 | 31 | 29 | 35 | 0 | 12 | 5 | .327 | .394 | .494 | 107 |
| Rest of Year | 337 | 44 | 100 | 20 | 2 | 9 | 42 | 37 | 47 | 1 | 13 | 4 | .297 | .370 | .448 | 94 |
| Year End Total | 600 | 88 | 186 | 40 | 5 | 15 | 73 | 66 | 82 | 1 | 25 | 9 | .310 | .380 | .468 | 99 |
Johnny Popup is killing his projections so far. While that's good, it also means he's probably going to regress some. His revised projection for the rest of the year gets boosted by his performance to this point, so a line of .297/.370/.448 is forecast for the rest of the year, and expectations are that Damon will be about 12 runs more valuable at the end of the season than he was originally projected.
| Jeter,Derek | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 593 | 66 | 182 | 32 | 3 | 13 | 74 | 60 | 100 | 10 | 16 | 5 | .307 | .381 | .438 | 94 |
| YTD | 261 | 36 | 71 | 9 | 3 | 4 | 32 | 16 | 30 | 6 | 4 | 1 | .272 | .329 | .375 | 71 |
| Rest of Year | 335 | 40 | 99 | 16 | 2 | 7 | 41 | 30 | 51 | 6 | 8 | 2 | .297 | .366 | .420 | 88 |
| Year End Total | 596 | 76 | 170 | 25 | 5 | 11 | 73 | 46 | 81 | 12 | 12 | 3 | .286 | .350 | .401 | 80 |
Robinson Cano and Melky Cabrera are rightfully getting a lot of the grief for the poor offense the Yankees have shown so far, but Derek Jeter is also hitting poorly compared to expectations. Over a full season, Jeter would be 23 batting runs worse than projected if he continues at his current pace. The good news is we should expect a slight bounceback, but overall Jeter looks to be 14 runs worse than expected entering 2008.
| Abreu,Bobby | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 530 | 79 | 147 | 33 | 2 | 16 | 88 | 90 | 114 | 4 | 22 | 6 | .277 | .386 | .439 | 97 |
| YTD | 269 | 37 | 76 | 16 | 3 | 8 | 43 | 26 | 55 | 0 | 6 | 3 | .283 | .346 | .454 | 89 |
| Rest of Year | 345 | 50 | 96 | 21 | 2 | 10 | 56 | 50 | 73 | 1 | 12 | 4 | .279 | .372 | .439 | 93 |
| Year End Total | 614 | 87 | 172 | 37 | 5 | 18 | 99 | 76 | 128 | 1 | 18 | 7 | .280 | .361 | .445 | 91 |
Bobby Abreu's slugging better than expected but his walk rate has dropped quite a bit. In theory his walk rate should go up a bit and his SLG should go down a bit over the rest of the year, but he should be a little bit more valuable than he's been to this point, although overall down from expectations (by around 6 runs).
| Rodriguez,Alex | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 564 | 114 | 169 | 28 | 1 | 41 | 127 | 89 | 126 | 13 | 18 | 4 | .300 | .407 | .574 | 123 |
| YTD | 189 | 37 | 62 | 16 | 0 | 13 | 38 | 24 | 38 | 4 | 6 | 1 | .328 | .415 | .619 | 134 |
| Rest of Year | 339 | 68 | 104 | 20 | 0 | 24 | 75 | 51 | 74 | 8 | 12 | 2 | .306 | .409 | .578 | 125 |
| Year End Total | 528 | 105 | 166 | 36 | 0 | 37 | 113 | 75 | 112 | 12 | 18 | 3 | .314 | .411 | .593 | 128 |
Alex Rodriguez can play ball. He was projected to be very good, and on a rate basis he's exceeding that. The missed time with his quad strain will end up hurting his counting stats, but on a rate basis he came into 2008 expected to be worth about 123 BR/650 PA and is in a good position to be better than that.
| Matsui,Hideki | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 483 | 78 | 139 | 28 | 3 | 20 | 87 | 61 | 67 | 3 | 3 | 2 | .287 | .370 | .477 | 97 |
| YTD | 240 | 36 | 77 | 13 | 0 | 7 | 34 | 30 | 28 | 3 | 0 | 0 | .321 | .403 | .462 | 101 |
| Rest of Year | 308 | 48 | 92 | 17 | 1 | 11 | 51 | 38 | 40 | 2 | 1 | 1 | .298 | .379 | .468 | 97 |
| Year End Total | 548 | 84 | 169 | 30 | 1 | 18 | 85 | 68 | 68 | 5 | 1 | 1 | .308 | .390 | .466 | 99 |
Hideki Matsui is a pretty consistent performer when you look at his full seasons performances, although he's pretty streaky in-season. He's traded some power for average this year, but the net result looks to make him about as valuable as he was projected to be. Taking him out of LF most of the time also helps by preventing his negative defensive impact.
| Giambi,Jason | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 321 | 56 | 79 | 13 | 0 | 20 | 62 | 65 | 81 | 10 | 1 | 0 | .245 | .389 | .474 | 101 |
| YTD | 190 | 37 | 51 | 11 | 0 | 17 | 40 | 35 | 33 | 10 | 1 | 1 | .268 | .409 | .595 | 124 |
| Rest of Year | 292 | 53 | 75 | 13 | 0 | 22 | 58 | 57 | 64 | 12 | 1 | 0 | .255 | .397 | .525 | 111 |
| Year End Total | 482 | 90 | 126 | 24 | 0 | 39 | 98 | 92 | 97 | 22 | 2 | 1 | .260 | .401 | .552 | 116 |
I've been writing quite a bit about Giambi and his resurgence so there's not much need to go into more detail here. He should be expected to fall off some, but his YTD performance boosts our expectations for the rest of the year, from the .245/.389/.474 he was projected to hit entering to 2008 to .255/.397/.525. Add that to what he's already done and he's looking to be about 15 runs better on a rate basis than expected.
| Posada,Jorge | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 469 | 70 | 134 | 29 | 1 | 18 | 78 | 67 | 94 | 6 | 2 | 1 | .286 | .382 | .469 | 99 |
| YTD | 89 | 12 | 29 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 17 | 12 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .326 | .406 | .528 | 113 |
| Rest of Year | 285 | 42 | 84 | 18 | 1 | 10 | 48 | 41 | 56 | 3 | 1 | 0 | .294 | .386 | .477 | 101 |
| Year End Total | 374 | 54 | 113 | 25 | 2 | 13 | 65 | 53 | 72 | 3 | 1 | 0 | .301 | .391 | .489 | 104 |
Posada's another player who is hitting better than expected, but he's missed so much time that it's tough to say if it's a small sample size fluke or the continuation of a possible change in approach that led to him having a career year in 2007. My guess is the truth is in the middle, and we should probably expect the projected falloff, which still makes him one of the top offensive catchers in baseball. His overall value will be hurt by significant missed time but hopefully he can stay healthy for the rest of the year.
| Cano,Robinson | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 561 | 77 | 173 | 38 | 4 | 17 | 86 | 32 | 74 | 5 | 4 | 3 | .308 | .350 | .482 | 94 |
| YTD | 261 | 28 | 60 | 14 | 0 | 4 | 24 | 14 | 24 | 3 | 1 | 3 | .230 | .277 | .330 | 51 |
| Rest of Year | 335 | 43 | 95 | 22 | 2 | 8 | 45 | 19 | 40 | 3 | 2 | 2 | .283 | .327 | .436 | 82 |
| Year End Total | 596 | 71 | 155 | 36 | 2 | 12 | 69 | 33 | 64 | 6 | 3 | 5 | .260 | .305 | .389 | 68 |
Robinson Cano makes me cry. I know he's better than he's played this year, but I had high hopes for a breakout this season. Instead, he's gotten worse and projects to be close to three wins worse offensively. He's improved defensively to the point where he may get a win of value back (projected to be +5 defensively, on pace to be around +13), but that's still a major disappointment for one of the few young Yankee position players. We all know he has the talent to blow away that going forward projection, but at this point it's going to be tough to salvage his 2008 numbers.
| Cabrera,Melky | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | BR/650 |
| Projection | 502 | 59 | 141 | 25 | 5 | 9 | 65 | 47 | 65 | 3 | 12 | 4 | .282 | .348 | .406 | 81 |
| YTD | 240 | 24 | 61 | 8 | 0 | 7 | 31 | 21 | 34 | 1 | 3 | 1 | .254 | .317 | .375 | 69 |
| Rest of Year | 308 | 34 | 84 | 14 | 2 | 6 | 40 | 29 | 41 | 2 | 6 | 2 | .272 | .339 | .393 | 77 |
| Year End Total | 548 | 58 | 145 | 22 | 2 | 13 | 71 | 50 | 75 | 3 | 9 | 3 | .264 | .329 | .385 | 74 |
If Melky Cabrera is your worst hitter, you've got a pretty good team. He's not a good hitter, but he's still pretty young and his defense is solid in center. He's shown flashes of offensive adequacy at times but his droughts tend to be too long for me to expect much more than a league average upside. That's really not that bad.
So let's see, we have Damon, Rodriguez, Giambi and Posada playing better than expected. We have Jeter, Cano, and Melky underperforming. Then we have Abreu and Matsui doing about what we'd expect.
Update: Yankees sign Sidney Ponson. I'd thank yankeemonkey for the link, but this is not the type of news worthy of a thanks.
Comments
Feast or Famine in this lineup, except of course for the two that are just right. The Yanks suck up the middle right now.
SG,
What are the net effects of all that, and the PT, on the run scoring expectations going forward? How does that compare to preseason?
snapper, I’ll need to look at the bench and build depth charts and stuff, but I can figure that out over the next few days and post about it.
know who sucks? Barry Zito
I don’t care about golf in the slightest, but I know some of you do, Tiger Woods winning the US Open with a stress fracture in his knee is incredible. Man that’s tough.
Back to baseball, you know who else sucks? Dustin Pedroia.
My hate for Dustin Pedroia burns with the heat of a thousand suns. Can’t stand that little twerp.
I hate Dustin for two reasons:
A. He’s a Red Sox (and a good one)
2. He’s a mouthbreather
It’s annoying that Pedroia has Scrapitude but is actually good.
This makes me cry.
SG,
Perhaps it is too early, but can you do a Johnny Damon contract in hindsight? I.e, how much he has been worth relative to what he has been paid, and what he needs to produce going forward in order to be worth the contract (and how likely he is to achieve that)? His playing time at LF probably reduces his worth, but my hunch is has been pretty solid, and not a terrible contract.
I ask this because I remember many here were dead against this contract (mostly because of his Red Sockiness), but Larry M. defended it back then saying it was the right move for the Yankees. I did believe it was, simply for no other reason than Torre’s tendency to send Bernie Williams out there in CF just for the heck of it. But the general consensus was Yankees overpaid.
Oh, and where have the pie-charts gone? Has there been any recent rankings on Yankee blogs that may motivate more pie-charts?
Pedroia has to put up more than a ~.720 OPS before he starts pissing me off. Plus, he really can’t hit on the road.
This makes me cry.
He is following the ice-cream around. Somebody better ask Mussina to retract his demand for it.
Yankeemonkey, at least this means the Yankees won’t trade for Sabathia (if you follow my thinking).
Oh, and Mike Timlin sucks. I actually like Manny Ortez and Drew in that roster, Wakefield as well.
Youkilis is annoying.
What do you have against Mike Timlin?
What do you have against Mike Timlin?
Not entirely sure, just can’t stand him for some reason.
He also generally sucks at the game of baseball. This is probably indisputable at this time.
Yeah, Timlin sucks. That’s why I love him.
I can’t believe we’re looking at a Sir Sidney redux. It certainly doesn’t feel that bad in Yankeeland.
Sam, the other benefit of Damon was that the Sox wouldn’t have him, and the net positive for the Yanks included the hole that was left in Boston. The whole relativity thing is often overlooked.
I hate how Yankee IPK and Hughes dominate the minors and suck for us so far while Lester and Masterson are not nearly as good and dominate. This should change, although I must say Buchholz and Lester (havent seen Masterson) appear to have better stuff than Hughes and IPK. I’m hoping some of these other kids with minor league track records as good as Materson can come up and pitch like that for us.
Oh, and we’re lucky that Texas released Ponson and his 1.5+ WHIP. May have been worth taking a flier on Bartolo Colon but I guess Cash didn’t see any potential use for him. With Giese/Ponson we’re basically praying for Small/Chacon II. I hope it happens b/c that fat-ass Ponson is funny but I’d rather see some kids w/potential.
Sidney Ponson? Is today April 1?
Didn’t the Trenton Thunder absolutely thrash Masterson not once but twice this season?
May have been worth taking a flier on Bartolo Colon but I guess Cash didn’t see any potential use for him
Not with the the Colon stuff again! In case you haven’t noticed, Colon was slapped around by the Phils the other day and is now on the DL with a bad back. I’m sure he’d have been very helpful, uh huh.
But think of the bad headlines we could have made up to go along with Wang.
I dunno, Colon never really inspired me. Wang, however, always arouses my interest.
“WANG BACKS UP COLON
in emergency relief appearance”
“COLON HOSED; WANG NEXT UP”
I could go on all day.
Ponson is never going to pitch for the Yankees.
Ponson is apparently being considered to start one of the doubleheader games.
Thats fucking stupid.
I’ll ask again: are there any studies of whether the kind of inconsistency Cano is showing so far in his career makes any difference in the value of a player? I assume the answer is no, it makes no difference. But as good as he is when he’s on, having a guy with a sub .600 OPS for a good chunk of a season really sucks.
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