Saturday, March 8, 2008
Looking Ahead to 2008 - Position Player Wrapup
So now that I've gone through the position players, it's time to close out what the outlook is on a team level. To do that I've built depth charts on offense and defense which we can use as a rough gauge,Offensively, there's little question that the Yankees are probably the most talented team in baseball. The one question that could impact that is the health of their regulars given their ages. Projections of single players are for the most part objective, but when we try to roll them up into a team-wide performance we will run into subjective issues with playing time, so keep that in mind.
This is my projected lineup for the Yankees this year. I am basing the playing time on their projected playing time with some downward adjustments for potential injuries. I am allocating total playing time based on expected outs by each player, with the assumption that the team will have 27 outs per game minus about 80 outs to account for ninth innings in home victories, so a total of 4294 outs. I didn't subtract more outs than that to account for extra innings.
The projections below are the average of five systems (CHONE, MARCEL, PECOTA, ZiPS and CAIRO). The last column (BR) is batting runs by linear weights. There are no position adjustments or comparisons to average in the batting runs calculated here, since I am looking for a total number.
| Starters | POS | AVG | OBP | SLG | PA | Outs | BR |
| Johnny Damon | LF | .280 | .353 | .423 | 585 | 379 | 78 |
| Derek Jeter | SS | .307 | .379 | .438 | 600 | 373 | 86 |
| Bobby Abreu | RF | .277 | .383 | .439 | 600 | 370 | 89 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 3B | .300 | .406 | .574 | 650 | 386 | 123 |
| Jason Giambi | 1B | .245 | .387 | .474 | 300 | 184 | 46 |
| Jorge Posada | C | .286 | .380 | .469 | 500 | 310 | 76 |
| Hideki Matsui | DH | .287 | .367 | .477 | 500 | 316 | 74 |
| Robinson Cano | 2B | .308 | .348 | .482 | 585 | 381 | 84 |
| Melky Cabrera | CF | .282 | .344 | .406 | 550 | 361 | 68 |
| Starters Total | .289 | .372 | .465 | 4870 | 3060 | 724 |
I can't account for the event of catastrophic injury here, so I tried to spread the injury risk among everyone with the exception of Giambi, who I'm assuming will be restricted to around 300 plate appearances. Outs are just calculated as (1 - OBP) times PA.
Here's how the bench looks.
| Bench | POS | AVG | OBP | SLG | PA | Outs | BR |
| Wilson Betemit | 3B | .258 | .333 | .445 | 350 | 233 | 46 |
| Morgan Ensberg | 1B | .248 | .365 | .446 | 290 | 184 | 40 |
| Jose Molina | C | .243 | .280 | .360 | 250 | 180 | 23 |
| Shelley Duncan | 1B | .243 | .311 | .453 | 250 | 172 | 32 |
| Brett Gardner | OF | .253 | .325 | .327 | 150 | 101 | 15 |
| Alberto Gonzalez | SS | .253 | .301 | .348 | 140 | 98 | 13 |
| Nick Green | UT | .246 | .308 | .397 | 129 | 89 | 14 |
| Jason Lane | OF | .235 | .311 | .414 | 127 | 87 | 15 |
| Chris Woodward | UT | .234 | .294 | .339 | 125 | 88 | 11 |
| Bench Total | .247 | .312 | .404 | 1811 | 1234 | 209 |
I have no idea if any of Jason Lane, Nick Green or Chris Woodward will see any playing time but I figure they will be stashed at Scranton so there's at least some possibility of it. What should be obvious is that the Yankees have two potentially strong bench players in Betemit and Ensberg, who both project well enough to be starters at their respective positions. That helps mitigate any potential injuries in the infield with Betemit's ability to cover any position and with Ensberg presumably able to cover 3B and 1B.
Add it up, and here's what you get.
| Team Total | AVG | OBP | SLG | PA | Outs | BR |
| Starters + Bench | .277 | .355 | .448 | 6681 | 4294 | 933 |
The sigma on a team's runs scored in a season is around 30, so that puts the Yankees in a range of 903-963 runs scored this year on paper using the projections I'm using and the playing time assumptions I'm using.
Looking at baserunning using Lee Panas's bases gained above average, here's how the players that Lee had data for did last year:
| Player | Team | BGAA Hits | BGAA Ground | BGAA Air | BGAA Other | BGAA Total |
| Damon | NYA | 3.7 | 2.3 | 12.3 | 15.3 | 33.6 |
| Rodriguez | NYA | 11.8 | 2.7 | 2.5 | 11.1 | 28.1 |
| Abreu | NYA | 1.1 | 1.2 | 5.7 | 0.7 | 8.7 |
| Jeter | NYA | 9 | -3.6 | 1.3 | -3 | 3.7 |
| Matsui | NYA | 4.5 | 1.5 | -2.3 | -2.8 | 0.9 |
| Cabrera | NYA | 4.9 | 2.6 | -6.9 | -1.4 | -0.8 |
| Cano | NYA | 4.6 | 6 | -5.3 | -8.7 | -3.4 |
| Giambi | NYA | -9.1 | 0.5 | -1 | -0.6 | -10.3 |
| Posada | NYA | -7.5 | -5 | -5.1 | -0.6 | -18.2 |
| Ensberg | NYA | -6.3 | 2.8 | -2.4 | -0.2 | -6.1 |
| 16.7 | 11 | -1.2 | 9.8 | 36.2 |
A team total of 36 would be worth an additional 10 runs, but we should regress that towards average since we only have one year of data. Let's assume the Yankees will be about 5 runs better than average on the bases this year.
So we've got 933 runs at the plate and another 5 on the bases, but unfortunately, we're not quite done yet.
Projecting defense is tricky, but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway. Using zone rating projections and defensive depth charts, here's how that looks.
First up, the expected starters. A full season is about 1450 defensive innings.
| Starters | POS | Inn | Proj CH | Proj ZR | Proj PM | Avg ZR | Avg PM | PMAA | RSAA |
| Jason Giambi | 1B | 500 | 96 | .796 | 77 | .841 | 81 | -4 | -3 |
| Robinson Cano | 2B | 1300 | 479 | .833 | 399 | .823 | 394 | 5 | 4 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 3B | 1300 | 392 | .758 | 298 | .761 | 298 | -1 | -1 |
| Derek Jeter | SS | 1300 | 487 | .806 | 392 | .825 | 402 | -9 | -7 |
| Johnny Damon | LF | 1000 | 257 | .869 | 223 | .862 | 222 | 2 | 1 |
| Melky Cabrera | CF | 1100 | 361 | .898 | 324 | .885 | 320 | 5 | 4 |
| Bobby Abreu | RF | 1300 | 325 | .864 | 280 | .868 | 282 | -1 | -1 |
| Total | 13050 | 2397 | 1993 | 1999 | -5 | -4 |
POS: Position
Inn: Defensive innings
Proj CH: Projected chances
Proj ZR: Projected zone rating
Proj PM: Projected plays made
Avg ZR: Average projected ZR at POS
Avg PM: Average plays made
PMAA: Plays made above average
RSAA: Runs saved above average
That looks like the best defensive team the Yankees have run out there in a while, with only Giambi and Jeter as big minuses. In Giambi's case he probably won't play enough to really hurt the team, and in Jeter's case the more he plays the more he bats so I guess it's not really all that bad.
Filling in the remaining innings with bench guys, here's what I get.
| Bench | POS | Inn | Proj CH | Proj ZR | Proj PM | Avg ZR | Avg PM | PMAA | RSAA |
| Wilson Betemit | 1B | 400 | 77 | .816 | 63 | .841 | 65 | -2 | -2 |
| Wilson Betemit | 2B | 80 | 29 | .813 | 24 | .823 | 24 | 0 | 0 |
| Wilson Betemit | 3B | 50 | 15 | .786 | 12 | .761 | 11 | 0 | 0 |
| Wilson Betemit | SS | 100 | 37 | .793 | 30 | .825 | 31 | -1 | -1 |
| Shelley Duncan | 1B | 100 | 19 | .834 | 16 | .841 | 16 | 0 | 0 |
| Shelley Duncan | LF | 50 | 13 | .871 | 11 | .862 | 11 | 0 | 0 |
| Shelley Duncan | RF | 50 | 12 | .875 | 11 | .868 | 11 | 0 | 0 |
| Jason Lane | LF | 50 | 13 | .869 | 11 | .862 | 11 | 0 | 0 |
| Jason Lane | CF | 200 | 66 | .833 | 55 | .885 | 58 | -3 | -3 |
| Jason Lane | RF | 100 | 25 | .828 | 21 | .868 | 22 | -1 | -1 |
| Morgan Ensberg | 1B | 450 | 87 | .816 | 71 | .841 | 73 | -2 | -2 |
| Morgan Ensberg | 3B | 90 | 27 | .791 | 21 | .761 | 21 | 1 | 1 |
| Nick Green | 2B | 40 | 15 | .804 | 12 | .823 | 12 | 0 | 0 |
| Nick Green | SS | 40 | 15 | .825 | 12 | .825 | 12 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Woodward | 2B | 30 | 11 | .807 | 9 | .823 | 9 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Woodward | 3B | 10 | 3 | .846 | 3 | .761 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Woodward | SS | 10 | 4 | .842 | 3 | .825 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
| Hideki Matsui | LF | 350 | 90 | .833 | 75 | .862 | 78 | -3 | -2 |
| Johnny Damon | CF | 150 | 49 | .881 | 43 | .885 | 44 | 0 | 0 |
The Yankee bench may end up hitting pretty well for a bench, but they don't look to field particularly well.
Let's add in the catchers:
| Catchers | Inn | SB | CS | CS% | PBWPR | TER | FER | Tot R | R/140 |
| Posada | 1022 | 83 | 31 | 27% | -2 | 1 | 0 | -4 | -4 |
| Molina | 428 | 20 | 14 | 40% | -2 | 0 | 0 | -3 | -8 |
And let's then add it all up.
| Pos | Inn | Proj CH | Proj ZR | Proj PM | Avg ZR | Avg PM | PMAA | RS |
| 1B | 1450 | 279 | .810 | 226 | .841 | 235 | -9 | -7 |
| 2B | 1450 | 534 | .831 | 443 | .823 | 439 | 4 | 3 |
| 3B | 1450 | 438 | .762 | 333 | .761 | 333 | 1 | 0 |
| SS | 1450 | 543 | .806 | 438 | .825 | 448 | -10 | -8 |
| LF | 1450 | 373 | .860 | 321 | .862 | 321 | -1 | -1 |
| CF | 1450 | 476 | .887 | 423 | .885 | 422 | 1 | 1 |
| RF | 1450 | 362 | .862 | 312 | .868 | 314 | -2 | -2 |
| C | 1450 | -7 | ||||||
| Total | 11600 | 3005 | .831 | 2496 | .836 | 2513 | -17 | -13 |
So overall, the Yankees are projecting to be about 13 runs worse than an average team defensively, which seems bad but for them is pretty good considering some of the teams that they've run out there recently.
So what do all these dorky numbers really mean? The Yankee position players project to score about 938 runs and allow 13 runs more than an average team. According to my Diamond Mind projections which should be released sometime around March 24, the average non-Yankee AL team projects to score 786 runs and be average defensively (shocking, I realize).
938 - 13 - 786 = 139
So the Yankee position players project to be about 14 wins better than an average (81 win team). Now injury or a bigger decline than projected could certainly affect those numbers, but then again a meteor could hit earth and make it all moot too. 81 + 14 = 95 wins. The next question will be whether the pitching staff is going to be able to do their part, which I'll try and answer over the next couple of weeks.
Update: In case any one wants to mess around with different playing times, I've made a spreadsheet that you can use. You can download it here. You can change the players and plate appearances on offense, and on defense you can mess around with innings and positions.
For offense, the projected outs should = the expected outs, you'll have to adjust the plate appearances to get to that. On defense, defensive innings at a position should sum up to 1450.
Comments
You point out that Lane, Woodward, etc. may not get any playing time. However, it is likely that SOMEONE will get those PA’s other than the starters and top 4 position players. I would imagine that if you were to give those extra PA’s to Gonzalez or Gardner, or substitute pretty much any other player in the Yankees’ org. instead, you’d get a similar number. Needless to say, the Yankees don’t need more offense!
And, I don’t think the defense costing you a win is actually all that bad. If the Yankees miss the playoffs by one win we’ll be bemoaning the defense, however, I would think one win would be well within a normal range of an average team.
I would imagine that if you were to give those extra PA’s to Gonzalez or Gardner, or substitute pretty much any other player in the Yankees’ org. instead, you’d get a similar number.
Yep, there are probably people who aren’t even in the organization who will get some of the playing time. I’ve just uploaded a spreadsheet for anyone who wants to tweak the playing time to their own preferences.
Wow, I didn’t realize Jeter was so mediocre on the bases. I must have missed that when you did Jeter individually. Damon’s BGAA is really something also.. I think someone said he’s in the top 5 in the AL on the bases? Is that right?
Jeter’s normally around +5 runs on the bases on average, but he was hurt last year which impacted him.
Damon was top three last year.
According to David Pinto, the Yankees had one of the best defenses in all of baseball last year. I know that defense is tough to measure, but I take some solace in that fact.
“The sigma on a team’s runs scored in a season is around 30”
That’s just the counting uncertainty on 900 = 30**2 though, isn’t it? Shouldn’t one have to add in in quadrature the _systematic_ uncertainty representing true fluctuations in player value (something one would estimate from saying it’s a component in fluctuations around projections I guess, or from intersample variation)?
david price is the real mothatruckin deal.
he looks like he’s doling out lashes up there.
He looked rather good, I agree. Speaking of which, Mussina appeared to be a real major league pitcher out there as well, striking out five with a nifty curve. The Yanks will be in great shape if he can provide 160 league average innings or better.
You point out that Lane, Woodward, etc. may not get any playing time. However, it is likely that SOMEONE will get those PA’s other than the starters and top 4 position players. I would imagine that if you were to give those extra PA’s to Gonzalez or Gardner, or substitute pretty much any other player in the Yankees’ org. instead, you’d get a similar number. Needless to say, the Yankees don’t need more offense!
There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for Duncan, and he has not hurt his case so far this spring. If he keeps it up he will get his share of those PA’s.
That’s just the counting uncertainty on 900 = 30**2 though, isn’t it?
Yeah, you’re right. I was going off my memory which is never a good idea. The average standard deviation for all teams in runs scored/allowed is closer to 45 in my simulations. I suppose that we can use that to deal with the possible variance in individual projections, which makes the Yankees an 893- 983 team 66% of the time.
Shouldn’t one have to add in in quadrature the _systematic_ uncertainty representing true fluctuations in player value (something one would estimate from saying it’s a component in fluctuations around projections I guess, or from intersample variation)?
If we wanted to be more accurate, yes. But then we start getting into not just performance projection variance but playing time projection variance and officially out of my league mathematically. If we hold playing time constant, the lower end is around 845 runs, the upper end is around 1083 runs.
For the purpose of this I’m taking the lazy way out and assuming that the projections are an accurate assessment of the true talent of the team, which we don’t really know.
Another ST hit for Shelley Duncan. He also made a nice play on a ball to his right at 1B in the top of the 1st.
Hughes looking sharp. It seems like he has the nice movement on the 2 seam coming away from righties. He had Morneau frozen after a nice curveball.
Duncan looking Giambi-esque on a low slider. Picks up a walk.
Slightly odd that there’s only one projected OBP over .400 and just one projected SLG over .500 (both A-Rod’s, of course).
These announcers must have been given the “play up the prospects we got for Santana and don’t mention that we could have gotten Phil Hughes” memo before the game. They haven’t mentioned it once.
Another walk for Duncan.
Wow, Ensberg missed a homerun by an inch there. Looks like he can still rake.
Igawa walks the bases loaded.
Ensberg has really looked good this spring. I would say he’s almost a lock to make the team. If Shelley can play a passable RF, the Yanks could trot out Ensberg (1B) and Shelley Duncan (RF) should the team face a tough lefty starter.
Seems like a good showing today, but 8 walks and 1 strikeout? That’s a little troubling, especially considering the twins offense isn’t going to be that good.
What’s up with that jagoff on the Rays breaking Cervelli’s wrist? I hope the next time we see them Joba puts some 100 mph Ray-killing heat in Navarro’s ear. Assholes.
I would have liked to have seen more strikeouts from Hughes, but he did a good job of keeping the ball on the ground and seemed fairly efficient - needing 57 pitches to go four innings. As for the walks, nearly half of those came courtesy of Igawa and he won’t be facing too many major league batters this season. Horne walked a few too, but that’s the book on him - namely, that it takes him an inning or two to master his mechanics and then he settles down.
As for the Cervelli incident, perhaps it can be settled by Girardi putting a fist in Joe Maddon’s jaw. After all, he’s the one fomenting this sort of thing.
word is Igawa’s been scouted by Louisiana Basin Silt College
Does Igawa have any NCAA eligibility?
Yes he does IE. Too bad its Womens volleyball. He may make 13th bitch.
“Too bad its Womens volleyball” etc.
Grow up.
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