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Monday, October 27, 2008

Fifty Ways To Upgrade the Yankee offense

There’s been a few questions in some of the last few posts about different combinations the Yankees could pursue to improve their offense, so I’m going to run through a few of them. 

There’s a crapload of stuff that the Yankees can try, but I’m just going to run through a few of them. For now I’m giving all the starters 600 plate appearances and the bench 1004 replacement level PAs.  In actuality we should expect the bench to get more playing time, but for the purposes of comparison this is more straightforward.  The projections I’m using are the current version of my 2009 CAIRO projections, which may change slightly.

First, let’s look at a control group. Here, the Yankees return all their projected starters from last year with a healthy Posada and Xavier Nady on the bench. 

Combination 1

BR: Batting runs using linear weights (not position-adjusted or compared to average)
BRAR: Batting runs above replacement level player at same position
RS: Runs saved above average on defense
WAR: Wins above replacement (BRAR + RS divided by 10)

Returning a healthy Posada makes a pretty big difference.  This version of the Yankees would score 849 runs if they could stay relatively healthy, which is not very likely.  It’s also not very likely that the Yankees are going to bring back both Jason Giambi and Bobby Abreu.  As you can see, this group gives back a non-trivial amount of their value on defense, but collectively they would be worth around 16 wins above replacement level team. 

Combination 2

For this combination, I’m punting defense to get the best bats in the lineup.  That means Melky on the bench, Nady in LF and Damon in CF.  Nady’s LF numbers are not very good which is why he shows as a -9 but it’s a very small sample size, and he’s been close to average in RF so there’s a chance he’d be a little better than -9 if he was a full-time LF.  Still, this group would score 19 more runs but allow 19 more runs on defense, which is basically a wash.

Combination 3

Now we start getting into slightly more realistic scenarios.  Here, Abreu walks but the Yankees keep Giambi.  Melky gets back in the lineup with Nady in RF.  This group is a little less than a win better than combinations 1 and 2, thanks to the defensive upgrade of Damon in LF and Melky in CF.

Combination 4

Same lineup as above, but swapping Brett Gardner for Melky.  Gardner’s defensive projection is probably a little generous, but this combination makes the Yankees a better defensive team than any of the other previous combinations.  The projected offensive difference between Gardner and Melky is only 4 runs thanks to Gardner’s expected stolen bases.  If he’s really 6 runs better defensively then he’s the better player than Melky.

Combination 5

Keeping Giambi is probably not going to happen, so here’s what happens if we stick Juan Miranda in there as the full-time 1B.  He projects as right around replacement level, although if he’s platooned with someone like Nady he could be better than that.  I went with Gardner in CF again, but if you want to figure Melky instead add 4 offensive runs and subtract 6 defensive runs.

Combination 6

Now we’re cooking.  Adding Mark Teixeira at first boosts the offense to 860 runs and improves the defense to just about average.  All other combinations hovered in the 15-16 win above replacement range,  Teixeira makes them 19 wins above replacement.

Combination 7

There’s a very good chance the Yankees won’t be able to get Teixeira, so what about someone like Pat Burrell?  Burrell in LF, Damon in CF, and Nady in RF leads to a pretty good offense, almost as good as the Teixeira offense, but 20 runs worse defensively.

Combination 8

Adding Adam Dunn instead of Burrell doesn’t really change anything from combination 7. 

Combination 9

Even though it makes my stomach churn, here’s what it would look like if the Yankees added Manny Ramirez.  I adjusted Ramirez’s defense for the Green Monster penalty from -21 to -11, but that may be overly generous.  Manny’s Dodger tenure makes his 2009 projection really good, but I still don’t want him.

I still think combination 6 (Teixeira at first, Damon in LF, Gardner/Melky in CF) is the best one for the 2009 Yankees, because it balances offense and defense. 

There are a lot more combinations that I’m probably missing, so if you want to see some other ones ask in the comments.

--Posted at 8:15 am by SG / 91 Comments | - (209)

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nice work, as usual.

what would option 9 look like with Gardner in CF, Damon in LF, and Manny DHing?

what would option 9 look like with Gardner in CF, Damon in LF, and Manny DHing?

You remove Matsui’s bat for Gardner, which is a 22 run offensive downgrade, but you replace Manny’s -11 defense with Damon’s -1 defense in left, and you replace Damon’s -5 CF defense with Gardner’s +13.  851 BR, -8 RS, total WAR of 18.0.  So that alignment’s a half win better than combination 9.

From the previous thread: “unless he sneaks into a Type A and garners the Yanks 2 picks.  his contribution could be fairly significant in a roundabout kindof way.”

If that’s true, then isn’t this something the NYY should do every year when the rosters expand?
In other words:
Surely there it occurs frequently
that there are players who are like Pudge - worth draft picks based upon incontrovertably past achievements…
...and who can be acquired for very, very little.
Wouldn’t that be an effective complementary strategy for accelerating the improvement of the farm system?

If a player is worth draft picks, why would his team give him up cheaply?  Detroit had designs on competing and were trying to upgrade their bullpen.  Teams aren’t just going to hand you a couple of free draft picks for nothing.

“Teams aren’t just going to hand you a couple of free draft picks for nothing.”
Some might argue that giving Farnsworth for draft picks was better than giving up nothing for draft picks, but your point is well taken.  Still, are the Pudge circumstances not repeatable?

Still, are the Pudge circumstances not repeatable?

i think there is some potential there, but probably more for collecting sandwich picks from Type B FAs.

one of the reasons a team would trade a type-A or type-B FA-to-be for little in return is for the 2 months of salary relief.  the value of saving that money might be worth the loss of a sandwich pick, but possibly not worth the 2 picks a Type A would garner.

I think at the time of the trade, Pudge was a borderline A, but there was the possibility he could slip into a type-B FA.  Farns actually was a type B at the time, but regressed to his mean (who would have thought?) enough to slide out of that designation.  The trade made some sense at the time for both teams.

The trade made some sense at the time for both teams.

i think it made a ton of sense for the Yankees regardless of draft picks, just because Chad Moeller was the backup catcher and Jose Molina was starting.

for the Tigers, i think it had more to do with Pudge just becoming a pain in the ass for them. 

it was unfortunate for them that Farns pitched himself out of a draft pick.

Refresh me if you would, how many wins does a replacement-level team get.  E.g. +19 WAR projects to how many wins?  I don’t recall what the number is, but I have a feeling that option 6 still only makes them about an 80 win team, before pitching.

Refresh me if you would, how many wins does a replacement-level team get. 

I set replacement level at around 80% of averag, so a replacement-level team would be a 64-65 win team.  So yeah, +19 WAR makes them an 83-84 win team.  But then you have to also add in any pitching value above replacement level too.

So yeah, +19 WAR makes them an 83-84 win team.  But then you have to also add in any pitching value above replacement level too.

Okay great, thank you.  That’s kinda what I thought, and also reinforces that getting CC and Tex is important for next year.

Oh, and if you could, what would be the scenerio if they traded Cano (assume for a pitcher like Cain so we can look at that later) and replaced him with Hudson?  Some have been advocating that (including Nomaas), so I’m curious what that would do to the offense+defense.

Robinson Cano,  2B: 600 PA, .290/.326/.457, 78 BR, 20 BRAR, 3 RS, 2.2 WAR
Orlando Hudson, 2B: 600 PA, .275/.341/.405, 73 BR, 14 BRAR, -3 RS, 1.2 WAR

Me no likey.  First off, why would San Francisco trade Cain for Cano after his 2008?  Second of all, Hudson’s on the wrong side of 30 for a 2B.

Keep Cano.  Trading him now is stupid.

That’s kinda what I thought, and also reinforces that getting CC and Tex is important for next year.

Remember, that 83 win team is with replacement level pitching, not just average pitching.  I could easily see scenarios where the yanks pitching picks up 12 WAR without CC, and a 95 win team is nothing to sneeze at.  Still would love to see both.

You have the bench at RL (by design?).  It was a real weakness last year, in part I guess due to benchers replacing regulars.  Why not spend some of Teix’s salary to upgrade there?  Or will any >RL player start regardless of salary?

You have the bench at RL (by design?).

I don’t know how the bench will shake out yet so I just set it as replacement level for now.  When we are closer to the actual season and have the all the players in place we can probably look at a more realistic scenario.

It was a real weakness last year, in part I guess due to benchers replacing regulars.

Yeah, last year’s bench was below replacement level, I think around 19 runs worse.

Why not spend some of Teix’s salary to upgrade there?

I don’t think it’s an either/or situation.  Getting Teixeira shouldn’t preclude you from upgrading the bench.  You’re talking about two or three players at a million or two per season.

Assume the following positions:

Backup Catcher: Molina is already signed.  Do you try and move him and sign someone else?  If so who?

Fourth/Fifth OF: Some commbination of Melky/Gardner/Matsui/Christian I’d imagine.  Again, you could improve this, but with whom?  Juan Rivera maybe?

Backup IF: Betemit and ????.  They could probably use a better glove man as their second backup IF, but I’m not sure what the market will bear.  Bring back Miggy!  There’s also Juan Miranda around as a lefty pinch-hitter and platoon 1B option.

Keep Cano.  Trading him now is stupid.

I agree totally.  A LOT of people (here and elsewhere) have been talking about trading Cano in the off-season, and Hudson recently has been their, “just sign Hudson to replace him!”.  Nomaas has recently given traction tot he Cano-for-Cain argument.  Now we have some numbers on it, that Hudson costs the Yankees a win, and that’s not counting that given Cano’s age he’d be more likely to outplay (or hit his 65%) than would Hudson.

Remember, that 83 win team is with replacement level pitching, not just average pitching.  I could easily see scenarios where the yanks pitching picks up 12 WAR without CC, and a 95 win team is nothing to sneeze at.

Yes, I am remembering.  I don’t know if they could pick up 12, or at the very least not project to.  They’ll gain a few with the bullpen, and a few more with Wang, and maybe one with Pettitte.  I think Moose is retiring.  So with the rest of the rotation - not counting a FA - I’d hazard they’re about +8 to +10.  Replace Aceves (nominal #5) with CC, and they’re probably +12 to +14.  Yes, they’re competitive w/o CC.  But with him they’re, “the best team on paper”, FWIW.  He’s also insurance against Hughes/Chamberlain breaking down.

I don’t know if they could pick up 12,

I’ll wait for the numbers from SG, but they were at 13 WAR this past season even with the “contributions” of Hughes/Kennedy/Rasner/Ponson/Igawa (total WAR of -31!) and lack of a full-length Wang. Obviously Moose’s contribution helped tremendously and basically canceled out the dreck, but 12-13 shouldn’t be too hard to hit.  I think we agree here for the most part, so I’ll shut up.

That should be WAR of -3.1, it was 31 runs below replacement level.  I fail.  I think I might have a WARP of -31, but I would even make it on a high-school team at this point.

Much to the delight of SG, we have a Manny Ramirez ad in the bottom of the page.

Thanks and great work as always, SG.  I hope you are offered a cabinet post.

It’s been reported here and there that the Yankees are hot for Mike Cameron (should his option not get picked up).  I can’t imagine he’d make much of an overall difference instead of Gardner/Melky.  Would he?  Probably more offense/less defense.  I sure wouldn’t be excited about him as an acquisition, but I can see that the Yankees might be interested in him as an insurance policy if Melky and Gardner fall flat on their faces, or as a bench player if they don’t.  (I doubt he’d sign unless they told him he’d play every day, though.)

I think we agree here for the most part, so I’ll shut up.

I think I’m just a little more pessimistic about the *projections* than you are.  But I agree that we agree, so I’ll shut up, too.

It’s been reported here and there that the Yankees are hot for Mike Cameron (should his option not get picked up).  I can’t imagine he’d make much of an overall difference instead of Gardner/Melky.  Would he?

i am just going to eyeball this and say yes, he’d be worth about 1.5-2 wins better than Melky/Gardner. 

the way i am doing this:

take Nady’s offensive projection (which resembles Cameron’s offense), and call him a little worse than Melky in CF (say +3 to +5)...

maybe SG can reveal how close i was.

Those Burrell/Dunn projections are so emphatically meh.  Man, I hate the National League. 

(Love those Phillies, though.  It’s been fun watching Joe Maddon! get outmanaged! by Charlie Manuel!)

It’s been fun watching Joe Maddon! get outmanaged! by Charlie Manuel!

Go to HBT, and MGL has an article on the “managing” being done by Maddon and Manuel.

take Nady’s offensive projection (which resembles Cameron’s offense), and call him a little worse than Melky in CF (say +3 to +5)…

I think that’s a little optimistic, no?  Just guessing, but given Cameron’s age I’d expect his projection to be a little worse than Nady’s (not position adjusted), but again just a guess.  I’d call him +1 WAR over those two…

Actually, Nady’s a very good comp for Cameron offensively.  CAIRO says Cameron as a Yankee would hit .255/.336/.474, compared to Nady’s .278/.333/.470.

Cameron’s zone rating projection is still decent, +2 in 2009.  He projects as +25 BRAR and + 2 RS, total = 27 runs above replacement, or 2.7 WAR.  That’s 1.4 wins better than Gardner, and 1.7 wins better than Melky.

You guys don’t even need CAIRO apparently…

So this analysis seems to indicate that the second-tier free-agents aren’t worth the money for the Yankees at this point.  They pretty much should go with some combo of who they have on hand, or sign Teixeira.  The only other option that would significantly help the 2009 team would be Manny, but he comes with obvious concerns (although I’m not dead set against him).

I think Cameron would be a nice player to have around if he became available at a low cost.

So this analysis seems to indicate that the second-tier free-agents aren’t worth the money for the Yankees at this point.

Yeah, the problem with getting someone like Burrell or Dunn is the defensive hit that takes away part of their offensive value.  I think the team should target players who are at least average on both offense and defense.  Teixeira fits that bill, Cameron does as well. 

If they could trade Matsui and sign one of Burrell/Dunn/Ramirez with the idea of DHing them, then that wouldn’t be a bad option, but I don’t know what the market for a gimpy Matsui is right now.  Probably not that good.

If they could trade Matsui and sign one of Burrell/Dunn/Ramirez with the idea of DHing them, then that wouldn’t be a bad option, but I don’t know what the market for a gimpy Matsui is right now.  Probably not that good.

Right.  One non-Teixeira strategy could be to add one of Burrell/Dunn/Ramirez as DH, as you say.  Then, if Matsui’s defense could be hidden somehow, for instance, if he could play first as well as Miranda, you could return Melky/Gardner to center, as you did in post #2, AND get Matsui’s bat in the lineup instead of Miranda’s, which would be worth another win or so, which would get the Yankees close to the 19 WAR of the Teixeira scenario.

Or trade Matsui for some positive value, as you suggest.

Even so, this plan would look worse and worse every year as those DH’s age, whereas Teixeira figures to hold his value for a while.

And it requires Matsui to play first, which we don’t know if he can do.

OT but, well, Bronx Banter is moving to a new, at least for now horribly ugly site, affiliated with WasWatching, plus various other annoyances.  I don’t see how I can keep reading it even off/on, though I’ll certainly miss Cliff’s series opposing team updates.

Yeah, I saw that about BB too. It seems like SG and RLYW is my last sanctuary on Yankee related commentary.

About a year ago, I probably read between a half-dozen and a dozen Yankee blogs daily. It’s down to two (this and LoHud, and LoHud just for the access). Why does this site, for the most part, have the most intelligent and funniest commenters? I think it’s the registration that scares away most of the dum-dums.

People are actually taking NoMaas seriously when it comes to baseball ideas?

Isn’t age group a factor in determining allegiance to a blog? I think the average age of posters in this blog is around late twenties-early thirties, and most people here are from some sort of higher education background (graduate studies and beyond). Which fits perfectly with the analytical nature of the blog and highly informed conversation that follows.

Contrast that with say, RAB, which has mostly a early twenties to mid-twenties following. BB probably mostly has posters mid-thirties and beyond. And they grow older with the blog.

So, I think blogs cater to niches. This one caters to my specific niche, and reflects my background as well (except the East Indian part).

Oh, and this site has the best humor, bar none. The posters here can deflect even the harshest criticism in a funny way.

About a year ago, I probably read between a half-dozen and a dozen Yankee blogs daily. It’s down to two (this and LoHud, and LoHud just for the access).

same, except I throw in RAB for minor league stuff. Kind of sad, really. Although, it does leave me with a whole bunch more time.

I know it’s premature to make this comment,but what in the world is going on when you have the most famous sports team in the world that goes to the playoffs 13 years in a row (even this year wins nearly 90 games) and is 80 million dollars lighter and looking at the finest facilities upgrade ever and YET reportedly may not be able to entice/sign the top flight free agents that could put the team over the top?  I have to blame on some desperate writers with too much time on their hands and want to mess with our minds.  My point is there is too much going for the Yankees this coming year not to land some big fish. I hope Tex is one of them and CC or Burnett as well.

I remember some unexpectedly clear and unpleasant statistical analysis of the effects upon pitchers of high-IP seasons below a certain age.  I remember being equally surprised as to the lack of any such effect produced by high-IP seasons after that age.  Does anyone remember the study?  I’m interested in whether CC is a potential poster boy for this issue.

“The study”
I’m sure there have been lots of them - let me correct this and ask whether current research has some clear things to say on the issue against which we could measure whether there is a higher-than-may-be-obvious probability of CC breaking down.

You may be thinking about Tom Verducci’s rule of 30, which shows that pitchers whose workload exceeds 30 innings of their previous career high tend to struggle and/or get hurt.

I’d think Sabathia is past that threshold now, but maybe I’ll look at pitchers who’ve thrown a similar # of innings as Sabathia at roughly the same age and how they held up over the next several years.

“upon pitchers of high-IP seasons below a certain age.”

I’d just seen the claim that increasing innings by >30 under age ~25 was dangerous.  Obviously this criterion is quite correlated with the above.

I haven’t seen a plain statistical analysis of all the data in any case.

“a plain statistical analysis of all the data”

Maybe something for a slow day, SG?

No, this was an analysis of the effect of several high-IP seasons, not of that increase.  Besides, I’m pretty sure I read it at least a decade ago.  I was just guessing that this kind of thing must have received more attention since…

That Cole Hamels has some nerve throwing 89 mph and calling himself an ace.  If this keeps up much longer, Phil Hughes is going to come down with delusions of grandeur.

My wife thinks Warren Sapp must be gay due to his dancing skills.
I scolded her for being narrow minded.
3 minutes later she convinced me it was a compliment.
Re-#31 and 32, I’m somewhat older than most of you lads but one thing we all have in common is we are the guys that people say stuff about like-
” He always seems to know what the catcher is going to call”
” He knows who to get warmed up in the pen before the manager does”
” He knew Torre was an idiot 7 years before I did”
” He thinks A-Rod sucks and can prove it”
I like being one of those of those guys. 98% of you guys are that guy too.
Most of you are funny sons of bitches too. That always makes one more likeable.
I don’t even cheat on SG much anymore.
Just with Lupica…......Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Thats why this bantam roosts here.
Go Phillz.

Holy jiggers, Scott Kazmir is throwing 91.  He must be a AAAA pitcher at best.

Not even sharks with frikkin lasers can save Scotty tonight.

Kazmir’s 4IP and 103 pitches are reminiscent of Al Leiter in his heyday.

In Philly you can hang a pixture on the wall.
You can see a Pleeceman ride a hwoorse.
You can go to an Iggles game.

Holy jiggers, Scott Kazmir is throwing 91.  He must be a AAAA pitcher at best.

Yeah, poor guy.  He’s no good anymore, I guess.  Can’t imagine a pitcher winning 20 games without throwing 95 mph consistently.  Can you?

Maybe Moose Moyer. Maybe not.

I can imagine a pitcher who throws 95 giving up a home run to another pitcher, but that must be a figment of my imagination.

Mr. the Hutt for Hamels. Straight up. Takers?

Why would the Phillies do the deal?  They already have a guy to pitch teh eighth.

I’d toss Melky and Special Kei in just to do it.
They should not be playing right now. Too muddy.

Hamels is nasty, but I’d keep Joba.

Now Igawa for Hamels and we’re talking.

Joba for Price, then.  Two guys who pitch teh 8th.

Igawa and a Camry plant and Philly might be talking.

My doppler hurts.

I really wonder if Igawa will have any value in the next couple years.  Am I just looking for something that isn’t there?

Looks bad.
Anyone see Entourage last night?
Good stuff.
Meadow Soprano was dealing.

Love Button? No thanks.

If Cashman was behind the Igawa deal, some portion of his salary should be docked to defray the cost of that contract.  I mean, the guy wasn’t even that good in Scranton - probably because he only throws 91.  What is it with these guys?  Either throw 102 or go home to your small town and drink yourself into a stupor.

If Cashman was behind the Igawa deal,

I think we all know who was behind that deal, and the reasons for it.

My doppler hurts.

See a Doctor. Fast.

Am I just looking for something that isn’t there?

Yes.

Am I just looking for something that isn’t there?

Yes.

But he’s lefty.  That’s got to count for something, doesn’t it?  .....oh….right….Felix Heredia.

“RAB, which has mostly a early twenties to mid-twenties following”

Way too generous. I’d subtract five to ten years.

<strike>Either</strike> If you can throw 102 <strike>or</strike> then go home to your small town and drink yourself into a stupor.

Fixed.

So RAB sells t-shirts - any suggestions for a cool RLYW t?  I vote no pie charts.

How about “Regression To The Mean” and a picture of Farnsie watching a gopher ball?

I really wonder if Igawa will have any value in the next couple years.  Am I just looking for something that isn’t there?

You have to think that the minds charged with making this decision certainly think so. I mean, we’re now half way through is deal, and he’s pretty damn low on the depth chart. So either they think that he’s got some hidden potential, or the return on him when San Diego supposedly wanted him was unacceptably low that they had to turn it down. Or Cashman is reluctant to admit his mistake.

Is it possible that, as a group, we’ve grown hand shy of free agents? It’s hard to find a guy without warts that we’ve signed, say, from 2001 to the present.

Giambi, Sheffield, Pavano, etc. I’m not knocking they’re contributions while here (except in one obvious case), but they were never going to be the complete package, yet the Yankees paid big anyway.

It seems you’d be hard pressed to find guys like Sabathia and Teixeira on the FA market any time soon. Holliday fits that mold. But I think the days of pitchers like Sabathia (Webb, Santana, ...) and position players (Pujols, Utley, ..) reaching FA are numbered. I think you grab these type of guys no matter what (so long as it is not literally a blank check), you look at Holliday next year, and then you look to fill every other position in house.

It’s nice to talk about the Phillies and Rays being in the WS - teams made up of drafted and traded-for players, but for every team like the Phillies and the Rays, there’s a team like the Pirates and Royals that draft, develop, and still stink.  The way of doing business for the Yankees has to be draft and develop well *and* sign the correct FA’s.  Beltran would have been nice. Teixiera, Sabathia, certainly. Holliday is another one.

Gary Sheffield is the man and you know it.

“Steroids are something you stick in your butt.”

Well said Gary, well said.

Sheffield was super fly tnt for awhile. He hit the ball like a bad ass mother fucker.

Pettitte 2007 was a good FA signing, if that counts.
Not many stars are available anymore.

“But I think the days of pitchers like Sabathia (Webb, Santana, ...) and position players (Pujols, Utley, ..) reaching FA are numbered.”

Can this be true in equilibrium?

I’d love to know what the projections are with Miranda in a platoon against righties.  The Yankees would have to pick up a right-handed complement, preferably someone who was a good fielder.  But if Texeira doesn’t happen, that might be the way to go.

Is it possible that, as a group, we’ve grown hand shy of free agents?

I think we’re more leery of giving out contracts of more than 5 years for anyone, and especially leery of giving players over 30 contracts more than 3 years.  Not that we’re (as you say, as a group) completely against it, but definitely leery.

We’re also suspicious of players that are having career-years going into FA.  And players that expect to get payed like a player they are not.  E.g. my aversion to Burnett because I don’t think he’s a #1 even though he’s going to get (or try to be) paid like one.

I don’t think we have any problem signing FA, it’s just that we want the player and the contract to fit the need.  E.g. some are against Tex because they feel there is a need to keep 1B open for Posada.  Myself, I feel DH is open for Posada soon (like April and Hideki gets injured), but the next potential full-time 1B in the Yankees org is at least 3 years away, so get Tex.  Signing Cameron to a 1-year deal is also attractive to some.  I think whatever the Yankees do (or don’t), there will be a lot of discussion here!

Yeah, I was more referring to the longer term deals. Long term deals scare me because they rarely work out.

Reserving the DH spot is important. Posada, Jeter or possibly ARod will need that in the coming years. But I think Teixeira is as safe a bet to stay at 1B through the length of a 6 year contract as any 28/29 year old entering free agency.

Posada at catcher’s worth a lot.  How much is Posada at DH worth?

By the time Jeter needs DH, will it make any sense to PUT Jeter at DH?

As for A-Rod, I’m hoping that time’s far enough off that we can permit ourselves to consider all our options for the next few years.

Re 42: OTF, you sir, are one of the funniest MoFos around! Me likey!

I loved Sheff’s wiggle of the bat. It’s almost like he carries the “Bad Motherfucker” wallet.

Sam Jackson rules, by the way.

So, adding Teix and starting Garnder would actually take us to +1 in the run saved above average category.  Next thing you’ll tell me is that there’s a “new” yankee stadium.

Next thing you’ll tell me is that there’s a “new” yankee stadium.

Also, there’s no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy.

Tanyon Sturtze is very real, on the other hand.

“But I think the days of pitchers like Sabathia (Webb, Santana, ...) and position players (Pujols, Utley, ..) reaching FA are numbered.”

Can this be true in equilibrium?

I think what you are seeing now is a true equilibrium, after certain shocks to the system have played themselves out. I.e., new ballparks by a lot of small market clubs (although, tell that to Pirates), revenue sharing and luxury tax dollars mean that there is some cash to go around for small market teams, and if they do develop players, they can lock up their young, promising players at huge discounts relative to market (Longoria, Shields, Pujols, Utley, Beckett, Mauer, Morneau (not sure if his contract is a discount though), Oswalt, Berkman, Lee etc.) during their peak years.

What needs to be seen is if more players become less risk averse and reject multimillion dollar contracts at the outset, and wait for free agency (a.k.a. the Boras strategy). The problem is that: 1. Typically you are getting these players past their prime in that case, 2. They will represent big talent disparity relative to their pool because other FA players are not so good. So they will get paid a huge premium, and cost the team signing them draft picks, which are more and more important.

Hey, IE, are you telling us they’ve resigned Sturtze?!

I’d love to know what the projections are with Miranda in a platoon against righties.

If we give Miranda a standard platoon split, it’s:
Vs. R: .261/.340/.433 (+5.6 BRAR over 390 PA)
Vs. L: .223/.291/.370 (-3.4 BRAR over 201 PA)

If we use his actual platoon split from 2008, it’s:
Vs. R: .299/.390/.496 (+18.1 BRAR over 390 PA)
Vs. L: .149/.194/.247 (-15.9 BRAR over 201 PA)

Even with his marked platoon split last year, his projection should be closer to the standard platoon ratio because of the limited sample size.

Incidentally, Xavier Nady’s platoon split projections:
Vs. R: .264/.317/.447 (4.8 BRAR over 439 PA)
Vs. L: .305/.366/.516 (10.1 BRAR over 226 PA)

A 1B platoon of Nady and Miranda would thus project to hit:
.276/.349/.462 overall, +16.4 BRAR over 665 PA.

Then you need a right-handed OF to play RF when you move Nady to first.  Juan Rivera?

Then you need a right-handed OF to play RF when you move Nady to first.  Juan Rivera?

If Melky’s platoon splits were reversed, he would work out okay.  Unfortunately, they’re not.  There would be worse things than signing Rivera.  Also, it may be possible instead to get a RH hitting 1B for the platoon (I hear Andy Phillips may be available!).  It’s not the end of the world if they don’t sign Tex, but it doesn’t make sense not too, if they have a realistic shot.

So what I’m taking away from #85 is that all you need the “right-handed OF” to do is replace Nady’s 5 BRAR for 400 PA against RHP and you’ve basically equaled Giambi’s production of 18 BRAR (ignoring defense) without picking up his option. 5 BRAR can’t be too hard to find, can it?  We’re talking barely over replacement level.

Actually, I’m assuming you need a right-handed OF to play against lefties when Nady is at first base, not to replace Nady against RHP.  If you want to do that you need a left-handed OF, and no, in theory it shouldn’t be too hard to find one, but I don’t know if the Yankees want to give Nady a chance to show whether his improved splits against righties last year were a fluke or not.

Doh, that’s what I meant, but got my chirality backwards, I meant against LHP, not RHP. 

Against RHP: Nady in OF, Miranda at 1B - ~10 BRAR in 800 combined PA (depending on how well Miranda would do)
Against LHP: RHB in OF/1B, Nady at other position - ~(10 + X) in 400 combined PA

Total for platoon - 20 + x BRAR
Total for Nady OF, Giambi 1B - 33 BRAR

So they would actually need to find a RH batter to play either 1st or the OF who can give them between 8 and 15 BRAR in 200 PA.  That actually seems hard to do.

SG,

Do you plan on making the entire Cairo projections public again this year.  IIRC, you posted the first version around mid October last year.  It seems like at least a portion of them are completed as you have referenced them in many of the off-season threads so far.

They were an invaluable resource to me, and other, last year, and I’d love to get a gander again.

Danny

Do you plan on making the entire Cairo projections public again this year

Yeah, I’ll try and get them posted by the end of this week.

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